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America's Best Colleges | forbes.com

maxistentialist:

scout:

jholla:

tobeyoung:

jholla:

KU bringing up the rear at 425.  I feel so proud.

Madison at 415 FTW

My basketball team is better.  My one and only defense.

goucher at 369, holla

Nique, my school is better than yours.

I call BS on this methodolgy—which is frankly rather bad:

To answer these questions, the staff at CCAP gathered data from a variety of sources. They based 25% of the rankings on 4 million student evaluations of courses and instructors, as recorded on the Web site RateMyProfessors.com. Another 25% is based on post-graduate success, equally determined by enrollment-adjusted entries in Who’s Who in America, and by a new metric, the average salaries of graduates reported by Payscale.com. An additional 20% is based on the estimated average student debt after four years. One-sixth of the rankings are based on four-year college graduation rates—half of that is the actual graduation rate, the other half the gap between the average rate and a predicted rate based on characteristics of the school. The last component is based on the number of students or faculty, adjusted for enrollment, who have won nationally competitive awards like Rhodes Scholarships or Nobel Prizes.

What these rankings don’t measure are which schools offer the best return on your educational investment. So this year CCAP also compiled a best-value ranking, comparing school quality to cost. It’s topped by Kentucky’s Berea College, a remarkable institution where students incur no financial costs or debt. The public schools fare considerably better here as they typically cost less.

College rankings tend to be bad, but these rankings are really problematic:

  • Ratemyprofessors.com is hardly a scientific measure.  There are significant obvious biases that occur when reviews of professors are not mandatory.
  • Who’s Who in America, if it’s anything like “Who’s Who among High School Students” is useless.
  • Lastly, looking at cost without looking at average cost after financial aid is misleading.  West Point might be “free,” but what does four years of your life and the chance of getting killed really cost?  Likewise, while Stanford (like many schools) has a very high tuition, the actual cost is much lower for most students—myself included.  I actually support high tuitions if they are coupled with generous financial aid.  The rich legacies should pay more.
Via Maxistentialism

  1. 4907 reblogged this from jennabee and added:
    That true fact may or may not apply to me as well. Okay okay, maybe Cornell isn’t a great school, but SERIOUSLY? We’re...
  2. meghanelwardduffy reblogged this from jennabee and added:
    WTF? University of Maryland, College Park is 3fucking87? I doubt the validity of this list, especially if it has Cornell...
  3. jessicachu reblogged this from jennabee and added:
    True Fact: I once passed a Lehigh class I fucked the professor. JK
  4. benzado reblogged this from brendanmc
  5. brendanmc reblogged this from khealywu and added:
    as far as central ny goes, ithaca is a wonderful place. other towns surrounding it were so bleak. i was referring more...
  6. dontcookbilly reblogged this from brendangerous and added:
    Brendan, Pete confirmed this for me. His scam was going on for years. Over that time He donated to Hofstra. We can’t be...
  7. khealywu reblogged this from ohhleary and added:
    Utica sucks, but Hamilton’s well outside it, and the commercial center in New Hartford was hopping by the time I...
  8. coreybrown reblogged this from adambozarth and added:
    East Carolina University - #549 Suck it Bozarth
  9. herroman reblogged this from mondosmusicbox and added:
    Is it just me who thinks this ranking is wack? I won’t point fingers. But Katie look! Middlebury is 25th!
  10. bridgecomedy reblogged this from adambozarth and added:
    Not on the chart. Not a dare I wanted to win.
  11. brendangerous reblogged this from dontcookbilly and added:
    No he pledged a lot of money, about $750 thousand, and never forked it over… hosfart probably won’t see any of that I’m...
  12. brokenbirdy reblogged this from scout and added:
    George Fox University, 58 bitches
  13. ericboz reblogged this from adambozarth and added:
    Truman State University —#469 What do I win?
  14. berecca reblogged this from ohgollygeedamn and added:
    wait…577? wow. I must be going to the WRONG school…
  15. lizlemon36 reblogged this from scout and added:
    The University of Akron @ 560 wootWOOT
  16. herestothehalcyon reblogged this from viajholla and added:
    Texas A&M and Texas Tech. 190 and 292. Seriously, though, there’s some podunk U’s in Colorado there are ranked pretty...
  17. kinochestvo reblogged this from huskerdont and added:
    I want reduce Hofstra to the level of a correspondence school for aspiring ministers.
  18. tsunamis reblogged this from scout and added:
    Man, fuck you, Forbes. NYU at 355 and all the shitty-ass Central Pennsylvania colleges ahead of that?! UMD at 387?!?!...
  19. sharkyteeth reblogged this from mondosmusicbox and added:
    UC San Diego, 149. Slacking in high school gets you farther than you’d expect!
  20. ryanhatesthis reblogged this from suburbantragic and added:
    All schools are less shitty than their reputation. Which is the point of ranking schools, you don’t go to college to...
  21. suburbantragic reblogged this from exspectator and added:
    Okay, their second most reliable “source” is rate my professor. Most of this list is based on rather or not students had...
  22. awomansplace reblogged this from lionessyawn and added:
    I’m honored that you thought of me, and that you remembered my school’s name!
  23. lionessyawn reblogged this from awomansplace and added:
    Girl, I saw your school! And was like, “That’s Karen’s!” Heh.
  24. aili reblogged this from jhermann and added:
    MM yeah… When you sort by cost Conn is number 18. Marvelous.
  25. jhermann reblogged this from ekstasis and added:
    That’s my respectably rated, unreasonably priced college right there.
  26. makedamnsure reblogged this from scout and added:
    This list is so wrong. If you look at the class sizes and costs it’s all way off. This is embarassing. UT is at 174, and...
  27. jsdillon reblogged this from maxistentialist and added:
    I call BS on this methodolgy—which is frankly rather bad: To answer these questions, the staff at CCAP gathered data...
  28. nique reblogged this from maxistentialist and added:
    Uhhhhhh, no….NU is #17. And when you go somewhere for grad school its like divided by a thousand or something. That’s...
  29. robotnic reblogged this from tersaudades and added:
    UCSB, 228 & overall rating of 4.5 Not bad, not bad.
  30. ekstasis reblogged this from scout and added:
    …ConnColl comes in a respectable 51.
  31. samsally reblogged this from scout and added:
    Dartmouth at 98. WTF, I’m disappointed.
  32. mondosmusicbox reblogged this from huskerdont and added:
    UC: Riverside, 269!
  33. wellwhiskeyfriday reblogged this from ohhleary and added:
    Ha! My school is ranked at the highly coveted #420! I think I’m more excited about this than the football ranking.
  34. universallypopularandwellliked reblogged this from blergg and added:
    synecdoche:scout:jholla:tobeyoung:jholla:...Well I know I like to think we beat out at...
  35. inkyeagle reblogged this from jennabee and added:
    Are you trying to say that crying is not a valuable life skill?
  36. starsandsea reblogged this from bdelcastle and added:
    Woohoo, #139. Better than most. XP
  37. bdelcastle reblogged this from scout and added:
    WHAT WHAT HOLY CROSS, HOLLA BACK 63!! Also what the shit, tuiton is now $49k? Also also lol Forbes, you ranked us above...
  38. adamiss reblogged this from ohhleary and added:
    Good lord. My alma mater, The George Washington University,...ranked at #429. That’s 154...
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